Yes, a child living in poverty and with very few choices in its life because a mom cannot afford a child. Yes, bring a child into that world. Sure, you know, abortion is that binary. There couldn’t be ANY other factors that play into that. Not to mention a child that is brought into the world due to rape…shall i continue?
You can skip the red herrings. Let’s keep it to what the discussion is about; abortion as a means of de-facto birth control.
Using your logic then, would it be merciful to go out and euthanize children who are living in poverty?
Red Herrings, now isn’t that a laugh. And that’s not what I said either. You take me out of context. first off, its VERY RARELY used as a fucking de-facto birth control. I have heard stories, personal ones, of people who had no other choices due to financial reasons, they couldn’t take care of the kid. They are emotionally distraught about it to this day. And my logic didn’t reach that far. People who are living in poverty should have the CHOICE to do as they see fit. If they want to have a child, they should be able to have the damn kid and the converse is true as well. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT EUTHANIZING THE POOR, I WAS IMPLYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
Some of the same people who say the things that are stated in the image are the same ones who think that government subsidized things (food stamps, women’s access, etc etc ) should be shut down because “people are taking advantage of it. No, the constant cutting off of options such as abortion can be a reason as to why these things are needed. People, sometimes, cannot afford having a kid and this may be the only option. But yet we force them to have a kid because of religious or personal reasons.
And rape is not a red herring as well. Yes it is a small percentage of raped women who have kids, but they should be forced to have a kid that is a CONSTANT REMINDER OF A HORRIFIC EVENT.
Are you saying that the majority of abortions are performed on rape victims and women who’s lives are in danger?
Did I ever say that? Re-read and find out. My only implications were that it should be a choice, an option and we have no business making or taking away decisions from ANY group of people, within reason of course.
The reason I referred to it as a “red herring” is that the majority of pro-lifers are not fighting against abortion to protect the life of a mother or abortion in cases of rape. You guys know that but you try to make it the central point of your argument to distract from what our actual issue is which is killing a baby because you chose to engage in an activity that creates babies and surprise, you created a baby!
The percentage of abortions performed to protect a mother’s life and in cases of rape is very small but you pro-choicers always go right to it for the purpose of emotional manipulation. You have many choices to make before you become pregnant. You just want that one extra one to avoid responsibility when some of your other choices don’t pan out.
You must be able to understand logically that to pro-lifers, aborting a baby who may be born into poverty is no different from euthanizing a child who is currently living in poverty. You guys rationalize that since the baby is residing inside the body of the person who created them that that person can decide to kill them if they don’t want to deal with them. We have always rejected that notion. Rant and rave about it all you want. Those are just bullying tactics and do nothing to change our opinions.
"The percentage of abortions preformed because of rape is very small" [unbiased citation needed] and even if that is true it doesn’t matter, a person shouldnt have to live their life with something that is a constant horrific memory to them to fulfill an agenda for one political party or parties.
As far as the poverty issue, no I am not saying that the poor should be euthanized, I am saying a choice should be available for abortions. I am also saying other alternatives should be options too. There are many rationales for this, I am not going into them as I know you (the reader) are capable of looking them up.
Also you, the person who keeps reblogging my posts with arguments, assume I am a liberal based on what I say. However I could be a conservative who has different views on one subject. Or a moderate or even someone who doesn’t take a political stance and just feels passionate about this issue.
I am sure you are a good person in your own respect I agree to disagree. As I see that you will only completely overlook the points I lay out and try and make me look as a bad person, (e.x. equating what I am/was saying to me basically saying I want to euthanize the poor). I am refusing to respond to any more additional arguments. If you do have something to say about my thoughts or your opinions I am more then welcome to look into them. However to not take stabs at my character. I didn’t take stabs at yours.
And I know what is most likely going to be said about me for just giving up my fight, I have heard it before and it wont be the last time. However, know this, you may talk trash about me all you want on your blog, but I won’t do the same. I respect the fact that you have a differing opinion, and you may not feel the same about [insert subject here] as I do, but talking shit about me because I am in dissonance with your views just makes you look bad and loses you any chance to spread your views to others.
I’m not sure you actually read my response at all before writing this. I don’t recall accusing you of being a liberal although I noticed that you didn’t specifically deny it in your statement accusing me of calling you a liberal. I referred to “Pro-Choicers”. You do fall into that category. Your first paragraph completely ignores what i said in the first paragraph of my response about pro-lifers and our stance on abortion in cases of rape. You’re arguing for something that I clearly stated I wasn’t opposing.
This is the problem with arguing with strangers on the internet. I’m sure that there are many great and wonderful things about you but all I know is that you endorse a belief system that I abhor and you showed up to argue with a meme that was posted opposing it. That’s certainly your right but I know that there is an army of pro-choicers out there who troll Tumblr waiting to pounce on anyone who dares post anything opposing abortion and by doing that yourself, you put yourself in their category. If calling you a “pro-choicer” and implying that you utilize common tactics used by pro-choicers is “taking a stab at your character”, what are you saying about pro-choicers?
I post a lot of anti-abortion material on my blog. I don’t do it to pick fights with your side, I do it to keep the pep rally going for mine. I fully realize that I am not going to convince anyone who is so dedicated to the cause that they set aside daily time to pick fights about it on the internet, just as you guys aren’t going to change my mind. Once I realized that you guys just attack everything, I rolled it into my pep rally strategy.
Walking away from this is just prudent. We’re not going to convince each other. The only reason I respond at all to any pro-choicers is to show the other pro-lifers out there that they don’t have to be cowed or bullied into submission by common pro-choice tactics.